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How long clean and sober: 25 yrs alcohol, clean 10 yrs, then pot 12yrs, now 3yrs

About Me:: My decades: 1970's Drunk - 1980's clean and sober - 1990's stoned - 2000's sober now for 3 yers. I'm a busy professional, no kids, reader, piano lessons, kittens. Have survived AA, MA, Al Anon, DA, Coda, and ACOA. Whew. Glad to be here!!

Looking for?: I'm recovered, looking for secular maintenance of sobriety, friends, and to help people getting and staying sober, particularly those with secular beliefs. I hang out on MA online chatroom, so many come in looking for an alternative to steps.

At 10:37pm on July 9th, 2008, Keifer said…: Hi, Lois!
I'm doing good, how about you? I sort of flit in and out of lifering, but I do enjoy it.
End of this month, 3 years!!
Keifer

At 7:26pm on July 8th, 2008, Lois Z said…: Hey Keifer, haven't heard from you in a while. How's life treatin' ya. Hope you're well. Talk to ya soon xx

At 4:30pm on July 8th, 2008, wednesday said…: Thanks for your reply. i don't think they MA here, peoria, IL. That substance gives me panic attacks, so i'm not really drawn to it. The recovery process has general principles though, i'm sure (if that makes sense). i googled the small book, and got some weird sources. could u help me refine my search? they have smart recovery here, do u know anything about that? fellow sobriety sister, Apryl

At 1:56am on July 8th, 2008, wednesday said…: i love your steps you wrote. i too am a refugee of 12 steppin, and other things. ning, and the chat room have been very supportive. i think i need more support in my life outside of the computer though. 12 step groups aren't helping me anymore. suggestions? Apryl

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At 10:33am on April 5th, 2008, Keifer said…: Yeah, I just read in a book called the small book (geti t? get it? that rational recovery wworks very well for recovery from recovery. When I realized what that was, recognizing the addictive voice, I knew right away that that has been my M.O. all these years. And I had another voice - guilt voice from not working the pogram well enough. What a waste of mental and physical energy. I kind of wonder if I could have been "rational" that very first, but at 11 months I knew the steps weren't for me -- and then stayed 24 years!!
Glad to be free now, no guilt, no worries, thanks for your supprrt!
- K

At 1:00am on April 5th, 2008, wdc said…: kiefer thanks for your talking about your experience with 12 step programs and the process of freeing yourself from them.

I am going through a similar process as well right now.

At 8:46pm on April 4th, 2008, hellopeople said…: hey. where are you? i'm looking for you.

At 2:44am on March 30th, 2008, Keifer said…: At 2:20am on March 30th, 2008, Keifer said…
Hi,
I started this because I have had a very emotional experience the last few weeks or months, trying to leave a 12 step program. I started in 1983 and left in great pain because of the religion and the low self esteem I got there, but relapsed several years later and went back to a different 12 step program. My misgivings have all re-surfaced, and it has been like getting a divorce or leaving home for the big world outside. I realize my whole attitude on life and about myself has been seriously impacted by the philosophy there, and I wondered if anyone else had this struggle and how you got through it?
This is not meant to be a "trash the 12 steps" group, I would like to hear more about growing up and out....

At 2:39am on March 30th, 2008, Keifer said…: Today I'm thinking about my "program" friends. I really like them. I don't want to lose their friendship. But, I went to a meeting last night (mostly for the post-meeting ice ream) and I sure am seeing it all in a different light. Every word I heard sounded "programmed." Fortunately I'm past arguing. I feel new in the world. I forgot how to make friends outside of meetings!
K-

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